The Destruction of the Southern Baptist Convention Part 4

By John Torell

Last Quarter 2007

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POSTSCRIPT
The following article on Bill Hybels and Willow Creek came across my desk as I was putting the finishing touches on this newsletter. It confirms what I wrote previously earlier in the newsletter.

https://blog.christianitytoday.com/outofur/archives/2007/10/willow_creek_re.html
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Willow Creek Repents?

October 18, 2007

Why the most influential church in America now says “We made a mistake.”

Few would disagree that Willow Creek Community Church has been one of the most influential churches in America over the last thirty years. Willow, through its association, has promoted a vision of church that is big, programmatic, and comprehensive. This vision has been heavily influenced by the methods of secular business. James Twitchell, in his new book Shopping for God, reports that outside Bill Hybels’ office hangs a poster that says: “What is our business? Who is our customer? What does the customer consider value?” Directly or indirectly, this philosophy of ministry—church should be a big box with programs for people at every level of spiritual maturity to consume and engage—has impacted every evangelical church in the country.

So what happens when leaders of Willow Creek stand up and say, “We made a mistake”?

Not long ago Willow released its findings from a multiple year qualitative study of its ministry. Basically, they wanted to know what programs and activities of the church were actually helping people mature spiritually and which were not. The results were published in a book, Reveal: Where Are You?, co-authored by Greg Hawkins, executive pastor of Willow Creek. Hybels called the findings “earth shaking,” “ground breaking,” and “mind blowing.”

If you’d like to get a synopsis of the research you can watch a video with Greg Hawkins. And Bill Hybels’ reactions, recorded at last summer’s Leadership Summit, can be seen. Both videos are worth watching in their entirety, but below are few highlights.

https://revealnow.com/story.asp?storyid=48
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In the Hawkins’ video he says, “Participation is a big deal. We believe the more people participating in these sets of activities, with higher levels of frequency, it will produce disciples of Christ.” This has been Willow’s philosophy of ministry in a nutshell. The church creates programs/activities. People participate in these activities. The outcome is spiritual maturity. In a moment of stinging honesty Hawkins says, “I know it might sound crazy but that’s how we do it in churches. We measure levels of participation.”

Having put all of their eggs into the program-driven church basket you can understand their shock when the research revealed that “Increasing levels of participation in these sets of activities does NOT predict whether someone’s becoming more of a disciple of Christ. It does NOT predict whether they love God more or they love people more.”

Speaking at the Leadership Summit, Hybels summarized the findings this way:

Some of the stuff that we have put millions of dollars into thinking it would really help our people grow and develop spiritually, when the data actually came back it wasn’t helping people that much. Other things that we didn’t put that much money into and didn’t put much staff against is stuff our people are crying out for.

Having spent thirty years creating and promoting a multi-million dollar organization driven by programs and measuring participation, and convincing other church leaders to do the same, you can see why Hybels called this research “the wake up call” of his adult life.

Hybels confesses:
We made a mistake. What we should have done when people crossed the line of faith and become Christians, we should have started telling people and teaching people that they have to take responsibility to become ‘self feeders.’ We should have gotten people, taught people, how to read their bible between service, how to do the spiritual practices much more aggressively on their own.

In other words, spiritual growth doesn’t happen best by becoming dependent on elaborate church programs but through the age old spiritual practices of prayer, bible reading, and relationships. And, ironically, these basic disciplines do not require multi-million dollar facilities and hundreds of staff to manage.

Does this mark the end of Willow’s thirty years of influence over the American church? Not according to Hawkins:

Our dream is that we fundamentally change the way we do church. That we take out a clean sheet of paper and we rethink all of our old assumptions. Replace it with new insights. Insights that are informed by research and rooted in Scripture. Our dream is really to discover what God is doing and how he’s asking us to transform this planet.

QUESTIONS FOR WILLOW CREEK
What about the thousands of people that were led astray during the 30 years and ended up in hell?

What does Willow Creek have to say to them as they burn in hell?

Is it fair for God to forgive Bill Hybels and count his victims as “collateral damage?”

We’ll have the answers and more at the Great White Throne Judgment.

The Destruction of the Southern Baptist Convention Postscript– Page 1 |2| 3 | 4

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PART 1I am taking a break from the Dancing Around the Golden Calf series to focus my attention on the destruction of one of the most prominent fundamental Christian denominations in the United States. I have been aware of the inroads that Rick Warren and his Purpose Driven doctrine are having on Southern Baptist churches. It was not until I was sent a copy of Rev. Noah Hutchings’ book, "The Dark Side of the Purpose Driven Church" that I realized that the denomination through which I am licensed and ordained is being destroyed by a hideous spiritual cancer.
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PART 2Rick Warren is a member of The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which is a sister organization to The Trilateral Commission (TC). I do not know how long Rick has been a member of this elite World Government organization that informed Christians know as a powerful cabal of leaders in the World Government agencies but here is an excerpt from an e-mail that he sent to his congregation at Saddleback on September 17, 2005:
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PART 3The name Rupert Murdoch keeps popping up when a person begins to dig into the financial dealings of Rick Warren and the Saddleback church. For a number of years I have been telling people that the major Christian publishing houses in the United States have been taken over by wealthy Jews. One of these publishing houses is Zondervan, the one which is responsible for publishing “The Purpose Driven Life.”
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION PART 4The following article on Bill Hybels and Willow Creek came across my desk as I was putting the finishing touches on this newsletter. It confirms what I wrote previously earlier in the newsletter.
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION

Flaming Sword Newsletter December 2007

I am taking a break from the Dancing Around the Golden Calf series to focus my attention on the destruction of one of the most prominent fundamental Christian denominations in the United States. I have been aware of the inroads that Rick Warren and his Purpose Driven doctrine are having on Southern Baptist churches. It was not until I was sent a copy of Rev. Noah Hutchings’ book, “The Dark Side of the Purpose Driven Church,” that I realized that the denomination through which I am licensed and ordained is being destroyed by a hideous spiritual cancer.
Part 1
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION

Flaming Sword Newsletter December 2007

THE WORLD GOVERNMENT CONNECTIONS OF RICK WARREN

Rick Warren is a member of The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which is a sister organization to The Trilateral Commission (TC). I do not know how long Rick has been a member of this elite World Government organization that informed Christians know as a powerful cabal of leaders in the World Government agencies but here is an excerpt from an e-mail that he sent to his congregation at Saddleback on September 17, 2005:
Part 2
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION

Flaming Sword Newsletter December 2007

The name Rupert Murdoch keeps popping up when a person begins to dig into the financial dealings of Rick Warren and the Saddleback church. For a number of years I have been telling people that the major Christian publishing houses in the United States have been taken over by wealthy Jews. One of these publishing houses is Zondervan, the one which is responsible for publishing “The Purpose Driven Life.”
Part 3
THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION

Flaming Sword Newsletter December 2007

THE WORLD GOVERNMENT CONNECTIONS OF RICK WARREN

The following article on Bill Hybels and Willow Creek came across my desk as I was putting the finishing touches on this newsletter. It confirms what I wrote previously earlier in the newsletter.
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